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Nora in IA

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Re: Jewel and her cubs
« Reply #4980 on: March 06, 2016, 12:30:38 PM »

Ted looks so big there, but what a guy  :)

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« Reply #4981 on: March 06, 2016, 12:56:58 PM »

It took me 8:33 to count all those bats.

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« Reply #4982 on: March 06, 2016, 01:03:15 PM »

Many years ago an early settler in the Florida Keys thought that bats could be used top to kill off the mosquitoes.  He built a bat tower to raise them but they had no effect on the mosquito population.  The bat tower still exists on Sugarloaf Key.

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Re: Jewel and her cubs
« Reply #4983 on: March 06, 2016, 01:18:36 PM »

16:46 on the bats in triangles.  I should find those pictures from when we were in San Angelo, TX.

Off to try your fractal you posted in the other thread JP!

Lily and the tree cubs  :)

It's a shame that tower never attracted the bats as hoped, BUT I found some info on it and the last paragraph says "Meanwhile, Perky's tower is finally home to a winged animal. Standing in a pool of stagnant, mosquito-friendly water, the weathered pine pyramid is currently topped with an active osprey nest--architecture by animals atop architecture for animals."

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/11/the-bat-tower-the-30-foot-monument-to-biological-pest-control-and-cross-species-design/265465/

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« Reply #4984 on: March 06, 2016, 01:28:14 PM »

Good afternoon Jewelies! Well sometime today the sun is supposed to shine and the temps are supposed to get into the 60's. I'm waiting!  :D

Cal, loved Janice's video! I laughed out loud! The lavender field puzzle is beautiful. Can you imagine what it would look like in person? No wonder your legs hurt riding that bike that long! Lol! Ted is one good looking bear!  We watched The Phantom Menace last night! May watch the next one later today. I can see how people get hooked on Star Wars! I missed out by not watching them before!  I watched that Loretta Lynn special on PBS Friday because I couldn't find anything else to watch. It was pretty good. Her husband was a piece of work.  :-\.  Downton's finale tonight. :(

Jp, would you believe I can't use a cursor? I've always had a laptop with the touch pad. I tried once to use the cursor on Crow's pc but just couldn't get the hang of it!

Nora, I feel for you and the long summer ahead of you! Last summer Crow was useless after his thumb surgery. His hand hurt so much before the surgery and then afterwards it was in a cast for 6 weeks and then there was rehab and trying to regain strength in his hand. He still isn't 100%. The left thumb is deteriorating too. He isn't having that one done until the right one is back to normal. Loved the bear costume! I found a bat on my back porch once. There must have been something wrong him because he just laid there for a long time. His face looked like a tiny dog's face. Then he started to walk. He used his wings like hands to help him along. Such an amazing creature. Later I checked on him and he was gone. The next day my neighbor told me he saw it in the street and killed it.

Eaglette, forgot to mention the other day...I watched the Key West video you posted. Then I watched a few more from the same guy Nomadic Fanatic. Love his mouthy cat Jax!

Ra, how you doing?

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Re: Jewel and her cubs
« Reply #4985 on: March 06, 2016, 03:58:04 PM »

Hi you guys! it is 72 here but the wind is 40mph. been working on getting out the stinky slime in the barn. suppose to get a lot of rain tomorrow night. this is why i loved the no rain here.. even if we are below rain fall oh we will make up for it. at least the wind kept the firebugs at bay again.

JP i am laughing so hard here..it didn't take you very long to count all them bats!!  :D how many were there? oh gee almost choked too death on a potato stick..lol  But seriously loved that picture of that bat tower..that is awesome..how cool but no bats and bats do keep down the skeeters.

Hi Nora! hey i remember that picture of the bats you saw. i was looking at your pictures once and asked you about them bats. That is really cool them osprey live up on that tower!! wow thanks for that!! we love them bats don't we..

Hi Rues!! Alright you watched the phantom menace two more then the really good ones begin. but you need to see them all to understand everything. i was sad to read what your neighbor did to that poor bat. now i think he is a pos..I know rues downtons finale tonight..it is two hours long too. i am so sad can't believe will be over.  I did not watch that loretta lynn i think i watch HGTV. i came in awhile ago i was filthy from the barn work..and cleaning up saw that remember the titans was one again on HBO went there and said oh no i better change it back to HGTV!! 
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Re: Jewel and her cubs
« Reply #4986 on: March 06, 2016, 04:52:24 PM »

Hi Rues! jim got home and dogs all barking had to go but i was just kidding about your neighbor..but it really bothers me how it comes so easy for some to take an animals life from them.
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Re: Jewel and her cubs
« Reply #4987 on: March 07, 2016, 05:01:29 AM »



Braveheart and one of her cubs.



Boy, did I sleep soundly last night.  I went to bed right after Downton Abbey,  fellimmediately to sleep and just woke up.  I did not wake up once.  Great rest.

Nora, Great info on the bat tower.  It looks as if the ospreys have a great nest up there.  good useage for it.  I have not been there in that area for over 20 years.   It is a bout a 15 minute trip from here.

Yesterday's post of cal'shad that great picture of Ted.  He is really watching something and has his winter fur on.

May the week, for all of you, be one of the best.

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Re: Jewel and her cubs
« Reply #4988 on: March 07, 2016, 05:16:21 AM »

Ted Was Out, Does Hunting Make Bears Fear People? - UPDATE March 6, 2016

Shadow - 7/27/15
Shadow - 7/27/15
Ted ventured out a couple times today. He went around to the side of his chalet, like Honey does, but we couldn?t see what he did any more than we could see what Honey did. The only reason I can think they do that is to urinate or defecate. I would like to ask staff to check on that if it doesn?t snow before Monday. A Lily Fan captured his outing in this 6-minute video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlkCyO8Jm60.

Out the window today, a juvenile sharp-shinned hawk sat in perfect light against a dark background. He or she has an injury to the left side of the head where the feathers are askew. The left eye is open only a slit, which probably makes it hard to catch prey which most likely would be one of the hundreds of redpolls here.

With local rivers starting to open up, a Lily Fan spotted a beautiful returning trumpeter swan standing on melting river ice stretching its wings a half-mile NE of Ely yesterday.

On another subject, some years ago I wrote the following as part of a discussion about whether hunting makes bears afraid of people. Most people thought hunting was needed to keep bears fearful of humans. My thoughts were in the minority. I thought Lily Fans might be interested in relation to discussions you might have had about this.

Swan - photo taken by a Lily Fan
Swan - photo taken by a Lily Fan
Bears are often less visible in hunted areas, but everything I know about bears tells me this is hardly due to hunting except for a reduction in bear numbers. Otherwise, the relationship is almost entirely coincidental as I'll explain. In short, where bears see a lot of people they eventually get used to it. Most hunting areas are places where bears don't see a lot of people, so they remain afraid. Many hunting areas are also relatively food-poor (non-coastal areas), which means they support lower bear densities than are around the food-rich coastal areas where many of the bear-viewing areas are located. When a new bear-viewing area is established, it takes time for the bears to get used to seeing people. This is the case whether they are hunted or not in my experience. For example, brown bears along the coast in Katmai National Park concentrated around rich coastal food sources for many years, but for many years there were few visitors, so bears ran from the few people they saw. Then the Exxon Valdez oil spill brought clean-up crews to the area and the bears gradually accepted them as part of the environment and began to ignore them, leading to the bear-viewing industry that flourishes there today. The bears now go about their business with little concern about the plane-loads and boat-loads of people. Poaching was a problem there in the old days and may still be a problem today. I don't know if it still is because poaching would occur in the fall after the bear-viewing season is over. Despite whatever poaching occurs, the bears basically ignore people.

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In Minnesota, about 3,500 bears are killed annually in hunting seasons, but Minnesota has places with perhaps the most habituated black bears anywhere. The bears are used to seeing people in those locations but avoid people elsewhere. Habituation, to a large extent, is location specific. As an example, we radio-collared a mature female who was extremely tolerant of people at a couple locations where she expected to see people. In those locations, people could closely surround her and pet her. We radio-collared her at one of those locations without using tranquilizers. However, for three years now we've tried to home in on her signal and approach her in the woods without success. The only time we've been able to see her was when she was hibernating. This is fairly typical in my experience. Bear personalities differ, but it takes a lot of hunger and habituation to move a black bear past the fear that rules their lives. Their flight reaction was bred into them throughout the ice age as they lived alongside such powerful predators as saber-toothed cats, American lions, dire wolves, and giant short-faced bears. They ran first and asked questions later. Timid individuals survived to become the timid black bears of today. Ask any hound-hunter, and he will tell you that he can chase the biggest black bear with his smallest hound.

From my experience, I don't see any way for a bear to learn about hunting. In my experience, they don't react much to gunfire, which sounds like thunder, and they have no idea what a gun is. Bears wounded at bait sites often return to the same bait site a day later to be killed. Being wounded doesn't establish a pattern to learn from. It is a one-time blast and pain with nothing to connect it to a human, the bait, the season, or any of the hundreds of other associated factors. The hunter in many cases is camouflaged in a tree stand by a bait which the bear has been visiting without consequence for weeks. The bear has become accustomed to the sweaty clothing the hunter leaves in the tree stand. The gunshot is a one-time seemingly random event that teaches no lesson. And most bears that get into that situation are killed. If it is that difficult for an individual to learn about hunting, I don't see any way that a bear POPULATION can wise up about hunting. Bears are solitary for the most part, so they don't see their comrades getting killed. Finding a gut pile with human smell would not make bears afraid. It is simply food, like a dead cub becomes food for its mother or a dead mother becomes food for her cubs. Human smell does not make bears afraid, they simply habituate to it. It does not deter bears from eating at dumps or garbage cans, and tens of thousands of bears get killed each year at hunters' baits. The next year, tens of thousands are killed the same way. I don't see any learning here.

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Sharp-shinned hawk
The actual presence of humans is a separate issue. Where bears become accustomed to seeing people they get used to it and accept human presence whether bears are hunted or not. Hunting seasons usually are for a few days or weeks. Bears have the rest of their active seasons to habituate to people and judge the balance between unnecessary flight and going about their daily routines of foraging, finding mates, raising cubs, etc. Running away from people is counter-productive most of the year unless the people are practicing aversive conditioning. In any case, bears are constantly assessing whether a person is threatening or non-threatening, just as they constantly assess the demeanor of other bears. If someone fires a shot over a bear, the bear might run away, but is likely reacting more to the person and his demeanor than to the sound.

I recently heard a lecture by an animal behavior expert who went beyond his area of scientific study. He believed that hunting teaches bears to fear people because people with guns move confidently as a dominant animal would move, and people with guns move stealthily as if they are stalking. In my experience, sure, those things scare bears if bears are not used to seeing people, but so does the mere presence of a person where he or she is not expected--whether the person is moving confidently, stealthily, or sitting still. Once the bear discovers the person, it doesn't make much difference how a person moves if he or she is where a person is not expected.

Some of the above topics are explored in the Black Bear Courses offered at the Wildlife Research Institute (see www.bearstudy.org) in northeastern Minnesota. We explore habituation, consequences of supplemental feeding, bear vocalizations and what they mean and don't mean, and factors that influence bear survival in their increasingly urbanized environment. There is a need to get more decision-makers to these courses.

On a related note, bear personalities vary. The picture is of Shadow who has had longer than any other local bear to get used to seeing people?29 years?yet she is wary of anyone away from the few community feeding locations where she has learned to trust people. And even at those locations she is careful who she trusts. Yet, at one of those locations at night, when I lay down and was in non-threatening position, she let me reach up and pet her all over as she ate from my other hand. However, she felt enough anxiety to slap the ground as I rolled away from her and got up. Some of that scene is in ?The Man Who Walks With Bears? that aired in 2001. Today, she is old and gray in the face as in the picture.

Thank you for all you do.

Lynn Rogers, Biologist, Wildlife Research Institute and North American Bear Center
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Re: Jewel and her cubs
« Reply #4989 on: March 07, 2016, 11:45:24 AM »

I'm glad SOMEONE slept last night!  I went to bed and was wide awake, then Joe started tossing and turning because his shoulder hurt, which meant Sparky got pushed and he went across my legs and went in the livingroom and shook off and came back once he stood and listened to see if Joe was moving and back up across my legs.  The CPAP machine of Joe's was driving me nuts too being it's a pulsing sound and not just steady.  Ok I've moaned and groaned enough  :D

It is great out!  I saw the temperature and put a lighter jacket on to take Sparky out and got to warm.  I think on our walk, yes a real walk today!,  I'll just wear my vest being I have a sweatshirt on, it's 61 and windy, but the wind isn't even cold.  The sun is brightly shining.  They say 64 tomorrow!

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Re: Jewel and her cubs
« Reply #4990 on: March 07, 2016, 11:46:52 AM »

Ooops, that bat.  I do know bats can't take off from a flat surface or not very well.  If it was on the floor it makes me wonder if it something was wrong with it too, and also in the street if it was the same one.  Not a big percentage carry rabies, but it could have had something else wrong.  It's sad though.

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« Reply #4991 on: March 07, 2016, 12:34:24 PM »

I tried for 15:48 to catch one of those Monarch butterflies but to no avail.

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« Reply #4992 on: March 08, 2016, 05:27:58 AM »

Bears, Bear Center, Otter - UPDATE March 7, 2016

Holly takes a walk
Holly takes a walk
Holly was naughty. Her curiosity got the better of her. She was obsessed with the camera. They say animals can?t see the infra-red light, but I wonder. I wondered about the Beaver Cam we used to have, and I wonder about bears. Scott and Heidi ended up moving it to the fence for a view from outside, which is where Holly put in an appearance today.

Ted
Ted
I hadn?t seen Ted and Honey for so long, I stopped and took pictures of them. Ted showed why we love him so much. When I came in his little pen, he started getting up without hesitation, making his friendly high-pitched grunt that says ?I?m glad to see you and I want friendly contact with you.? I couldn?t stay around for that, but it was good to know he felt that way. He is like that with everyone, but some say he is more intense toward me. I think I know why, if it?s true. When I met the man who raised him, I saw me. He is my same size, looks a bit like me, has a short goatee beard, and sounds like me. I sure we smell different, but I may be enough like the man he truly loves to be a stand-in. Plus, I trusted him and interacted closely with him the first time we met, which might have sealed the deal.

Honey
Honey
Honey didn?t know what to think about having someone come into her pen. I think she was bonded more with the woman who raised her, which didn?t give me an edge with her.

Holly
Holly
The log entrance to the Bear Center is progressing. We?ll have to wait a few months to varnish the logs and give them their final rich sheen, but it is already looking good with the wall of wood against the building. They?ll finish it off with logs framing the doors, plus lights that shine up onto the overhead logs and beautiful tongue and groove boards that are the underside of the roof.

Inside, three of the new exhibit platforms are in place, and Judy McClure got the exhibits on one side done at the new more kid-friendly level. The new lower platforms give visitors a look all around, including a view of the upper walls where many new pictures will go (with captions).


New displays   Coming together   Don Taylor working on counter
The gift shop now has its new carved sign by Ray Thielbar who made all our beautiful carved signs. Ray was vice-chairman of the North American Bear Center board for many years in the 1990?s and early 2000?s as well as being a long-time friend. He has one sign to go yet, and that is a nice welcome sign with decorations to hang from the big cross log on the front of the log entrance. On top of that log, he will put a mother bear walking toward the middle with two cubs walking toward her from the other way.


Log entrance   New gift shop sign   Log entrance
Another artisan is Scott?s long-time friend Don Taylor who made the new platforms and can be seen on his hands and knees by the new configurement of the front counter that will route people in past the register and out through the gift shop.

A setback of sorts is that we learned the fiber optic cable that is necessary for us to do Distance Learning to classrooms is being delayed another 18 months. We heard that today.

Sea Otter at Monterey Bay AquariumA video I wanted to share is a wild sea otter giving birth where she is very visible from the Monterey Aquarium in California. Lily Fans, including me, are now used to seeing bears give birth to the smallest newborns, relative to the mother?s size of any placental mammals?bear cubs. So the newborn sea otter looked huge to me relative to the mother?s size. The picture is of that mother and baby as seen at the Monterey Aquarium. See the birth at http://mbayaq.co/1R0v6oD.

Thank you for all you do.

Lynn Rogers, Biologist, Wildlife Research Institute and North American Bear Center
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Re: Jewel and her cubs
« Reply #4993 on: March 08, 2016, 05:38:34 AM »

Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them. Dalai Lama and mb

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« Reply #4994 on: March 08, 2016, 05:39:37 AM »



Bow, with her black face.



This is getting ridiculous, oversleeping  more than an hour and a half.  I am in a bad mood as a result.  I guess the solution is going to be an alarm clock set.

I hope all the rest of you have a wortrhwhile day, one that you can enjoy and include in your top days list.